Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on their process.

And the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, using a hair dryer to smooth out the dent on your

rental car from tour or else a scrappy upstart, riding the $5 mega bus to the gig with your

pedal board under the seat in front of you.

This is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an iron clad

excuse to put off, actually riding.

Hey, everybody, it's the third Friday of October 2023.

I thank you for joining us.

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