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And you've heard for many years Alex talk about this stay behind Obama initiative that they

put in place when supposedly Obama left office and how that was going to run a lot of these operations, at least in the U.S., to undermine Trump, to undermine that presidency.

And, of course, that was very effective, unfortunately, in that the first four years that 2016 period, but it wasn't just the Obama stay behind unit. It was actually run by entities like the Atlantic Council, the Institute for Statecraft, and people in British intelligence. This is where, of course, we get the Christopher Steele dossier, the memo, people like

Chris Donnelly from the Royal Military Academy. And they put out these papers and these white

papers, these think tank papers, saying, time to defend democracy against disinformation.

And this is what helped that establishment find the justification, supposedly, to set up the integrity initiative, which was this online disinformation supposed campaign, which is really a promoter of disinformation.

Those documents were leaked, I think, around 2018, 2019.

And the integrity initiative leaks really showed us the inner workings of this Info War,

not Alex's InfoWor, obviously, but this foreign operation info war implementation, I guess you could say,

how it was structured and what they were going to do.

They were paying people from NATO, Atlantic Council to be quote, journalists.

They were getting hundreds of thousand dollars a month to push out all these different high level

supposed reports.

And this is really the locus, the inner workings from which Keygate, the steel dossier, and all that emerged

when Hillary was using that as the way to undermine Trump. And that led, of course, to the

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