Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders.

I'm Kelly Corrigan, and today is part of our Maker's series on talking about a slightly different kind of making.

If you've listened to our past makers episodes, you know that we have talked to more

obvious kinds of makers, comedy writers, animators, filmmakers, filmmakers, illustrators.

But today, my partner is a business person who has made something astonishing inside

corporate America. Lisa Gavallber is a global vice president and managing director at Google.

She oversees programs that help people access economic opportunity,

including the Google Career Certificates Program.

So it started with Lisa pouring through Bureau of Labor Statistics data,

trying to figure out how to create an on-ramp to a great lifelong career for people who did not go to college. And that represents 70

million Americans. The first thing Lisa made is herself. She put herself through college and then she created all

these training programs and most recently she's working to help tens of millions of people

learn to use AI as the ultimate tool for creating. Because as Lisa says, everyone can be a

maker with AI. Here is my conversation with a brilliant do-gooder. Lisa Gavellber.

So the reason why I wanted to have you on a corporate kind of gal is because I feel like so far in the maker series, we've had writers and

filmmakers and illustrators. And that really sets people up to think more narrowly about

making and creativity than I want them to. I feel like great creative thinking and great making something from nothing can happen

anywhere, including inside a giant corporation like Google. So before we get to what it is that

you have made there, which is such a cool thing and I'm so proud to know you. What was the first thing that you

made that you felt really good about? A game, a play, a piece of art. Gosh, well, I don't really think

of myself as a maker. And I think the first thing I think I made was myself, like making myself into a person who could

make their way through life and put themselves through school and kind of find a path

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