Senator, always a pleasure to be with you in studio. There is so much this Trump indictment that

needs to be broken down. That's going to be the goal today for people to understand this indictment.

Let's walk through exactly what they have charged Donald Trump with and also your overview.

How serious is this, in your opinion, scale one at 10? We've seen

like in New York, there was not a lot of people worried about that indictment. They thought it was

frivolous. They thought it was kind of absurd. Statue of limitations. There's going to be a lot of

problems in court. Is this different? Well, the last podcast we did on Friday, we did it right after news of the indictment broke, but the indictment wasn't public. What has changed between then and now as we now have the indictment so we can see specifically what they brought. I will say now, having reviewed the specific indictment, it's pretty underwhelming. There's not a lot of there there. We talked quite a bit before the

indictment about how I believed it was extremely likely that the Department of Justice was going to

indict Donald Trump, that Merrick Garland, I believe, wants to indict Donald Trump. I think he came

into office wanting to indict and to prosec indict Donald Trump. I think he came into office wanting to

indict and to prosecute Donald Trump. But we also talked about the problem that he couldn't just base it

on the classified documents because it so happened just about everyone else had did the same damn

thing. And so we discussed on this podcast how I believe they would really build their case as an obstruction case.

What's interesting is they did that, but the bulk of the indictment focuses on the classified document.

So if you look at the indictment, there are 37 counts in the indictment. It starts with criminal offenses

concerning the willful retention of national defense information, withholding a document of record, corruptly concealing a document

of record, concealing a document in a federal investigation, a scheme to conceal.

And if you look at it, all right, so counts one through 31 to the bulk of the indictment,

are multiple counts of willful retention of national defense information.

And by the text of it, the terms of that crime are serious.

Whoever, having unauthorized possession of, access to or control over any document, writing,

codebook, signal book, sketch, photograph, photograph, photograph,

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