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Hey, what's going on? My name is Brand.

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We were talking about how hard it is for people to really understand the idea that God loves them.

I mean, you can see a bumper sticker that says God loves you or something.

Oh, yeah.

And agree with it.

Some people don't, but most of us do.

But we don't internalize it.

It's like we don't really believe it.

And we kind of give ourselves away.

Comment on what you were talking about, how people don't know that God loves them.

Myself, pretty much a new Christian all over again, that's jumped on and off the train

constantly.

But it's really hard from that standpoint when people are constantly, depending on where they come from, people

hold things against other people for things that they've done. So they don't feel love from

people, it's really hard to grab that concept that there's a God out there that created

and loves you no matter what you've done. Oh yeah, it's totally different idea. That's just it. And we don't see it that often. That's why it's one reason to be so wonderful. It's the people of God, the people who claim to follow him, and I put myself in that mix, too, would demonstrate grace. So people could get, oh, that's what God's like. He loves me anyway. I mean, if we were the people of grace, the people of forgiveness, then people would maybe find it easier to internalize that God really does love them.

So we were just talking about how God loves us, but it's kind of hard for us to internalize it. And here's the thing, too.

Like, I think a lot of us struggle with loving other people

because we don't really believe that God loves us. I mean, when you see somebody be incredibly

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