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Beg to Differ with Mona Charen

Debunking Populist Myths

Beg to Differ with Mona Charen

The Bulwark

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

AEI's Michael Strain analyzes the mistakes left and right make about middle class stagnation, quality of life, and other matters. Plus, what is risked when Trump/Musk attack foundational institutions.

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Referenced Works & Figures:

  • Michael Strain’s BookThe American Dream Is Not Dead: (But Populism Could Kill It)

  • Elizabeth Warren & Bill de Blasio – Critique of middle-class decline.

  • Josh Hawley – Comment on wage stagnation.

  • David Autor's "China Shock" Paper – Study on trade-induced job losses.

  • Robert Bork’s Antitrust Theories – Influence on U.S. competition policy.

  • Smoot-Hawley Tariffs – Historical reference to the consequences of trade protectionism.

  • Occupy Wall Street & Tea Party Movements – Examples of populist political reactions.

  • Federal Job Training Programs – Discussion on their past inefficacy and recent improvements.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome, everyone. I am delighted to welcome today. Michael Strain, he is at the American Enterprise

0:10.5

Institute and is the Director of Economic Policy Studies. Michael wrote a book a few years ago

0:17.4

that just sort of, it was very short book, but encapsulated the most important

0:23.5

aspects of a debate we're having in this country that I don't think gets enough attention,

0:28.4

namely the great debate over whether the middle class has stagnated in over the last several

0:36.5

decades in American life.

0:37.9

This claim that there has been no discernible increase in wages or life circumstances

0:46.6

for the vast middle part of the country is key to the populist movements of both the right

0:53.6

and the left.

0:54.8

Michael, welcome.

0:55.8

Thank you for joining me.

0:57.0

Thank you for having me.

0:57.8

Great to be with you.

0:58.8

Okay.

0:59.5

So right at the beginning of your book, you quote from two politicians, one Democrat,

1:05.8

one Republican.

1:07.0

Here was Elizabeth Warren, actually, and Bill de Blasio, then mayor of New York, saying

1:14.7

across generations, Americans shared the belief that hard work would bring opportunity in a better

1:23.4

life. America wasn't perfect, but we invested in our kids and put in place policies to build a

1:29.5

strong middle class. We don't do that anymore, and the result is clear. The rich get richer,

1:35.0

while everyone else falls behind. The game is rigged, and the people who rigged it want it to stay

1:41.6

that way. Of course, this rigged language was then central to Trump's whole appeal.

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