And once you realize that the evidence that dietary fat is or saturated fat is

causing disease is shoddy at best it opens up a whole new world of ways to think about obesity because one of the things that happened is in the

until the 1960s the belief was that carbohydrates for fat and then bread pasta, potato, sweets just made you fat.

If you didn't want to be fatty and eat them.

And then we decided that dietary fat and saturated fat cause heart disease and carbs became heart-healthy

diet foods and suddenly there were the foods we were supposed to eat and then there were diets like

Atkins which just said don't eat carbs you could eat as much fat as you want.

And those work tremendously for weight loss, but people just assume they'd kill you because

it's saturated fat.

This is episode number 93 with Gary Tows. Welcome to Pursuing Health. I'm Julie Fushe, Family Medicine resident and former Cross-Vit Games athlete.

Here I bring to you information and inspiration from

experts and everyday individuals for how to use lifestyle to maximize health.

Thank you so much for joining me. Now let's get started with this week's episode.

Well, hello there and welcome back to pursuing health.

In this episode, I had the absolute pleasure

of sitting down with investigative science and health journalist

Gary Taubbs just after the 2018 Cross Fit Health Conference in Madison, Wisconsin.

With a background in physics and a special interest in investigating so-called bad science,

Gary turned his attention toward nutrition in the early 2000s. He has since spent the past 15-plus years authoring several books on the topic including

the case against sugar, why we get fat and what to do about it, and good calories

bad calories. He's also a contributor to publications such as the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal,

and he's won numerous awards for his journalism.

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