Good afternoon, Michael Malis here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour and here

for my very first episode on podcast one. I am very excited to bring Dr. Debra Soe,

author of The End of Gender, and someone who I absolutely love talking to. And the thing

I love about talking to you, Doc, is that in every other interview I see, you always have

this kind of very like austere, like serious vibe to you. But I've known you. We've talked a bit

off camera. There is this kind of like sweet dork underneath us, which I don't think people

get to see that much. So let me ask you this. My idol of all time is Camille Palia. And I'm sure

you're somewhat familiar with her work. She's kind of this renegade feminist. And one of the things

she talks about is sexual persona and how men and women play into different archetypes both in

the bedroom and the boardroom in their professional life. Is that something as a woman who's talking

who discusses things like sexuality and sex researcher? Is that something that you have to pay

attention to and how you discuss these issues? Oh, yeah. Well, first, let me say thank you so much

for having me on. It's so great to talk to you again. I really appreciate that you came on my podcast

a couple weeks ago. It's an honor to be your first guest on podcast one. And I think it's funny

that you did notice that I for myself, I would say probably what people will see of me is more

serious of a person than I am in real life. Like my friends and family who know me just because

the issues I do talk about publicly, things like gender transition and children, things like the

differences between trans women and women who were born women. I mean, these are contentious

issues. And I feel like it's not really appropriate for me to shop and be laughing and joking about

it because I do take the things I talk about with a lot of responsibility. So, but yeah,

I would definitely say, I mean, when I get to do, when I get to talk to people like you or if I do

other comedians shows, you know, people are like, oh, my God, she actually smiles. Yeah,

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