Debra Silverman: Your Pain Has a Pattern… and Astrology Reveals It All (This Isn’t Random)

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Josh Trent

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🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Wellness + Wisdom | Episode 744

How does astrology reveal your cosmic blueprint?

Astrologer Debra Silverman joins Josh Trent on the Wellness + Wisdom Podcast, episode 744, to reveal how the patterns of sacred geometry and planetary cycles can act as a shortcut to self-awareness, why astrology was silenced by religion, how the four elements unlock your highest potential, what it really means to be an “old soul,” and why true authenticity blooms when you align with your Sun, Moon, and Rising signs.

"You come with an assignment to learn or to do something, and you have to remember it. And that's what astrology's for. You can have a personality type that has problems. You can have a psychology that's really difficult but that's the contract that you signed at the beginning. And the minute you accept what you were handed, it becomes magic." - Debra Silverman

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In This Episode, Debra Silverman Uncovers:

[01:15] The Purpose of Astrology

Debra Silverman
Why astrology is based on pattern recognition and sacred geometry.
How we come to Earth with an assignment, and it's our responsibility to remember what it is.
How older generations were taught to suppress their pain.
I Don't Believe in Astrology by Debra Silverman

[05:45] Did Religion Ban Astrology?

Why astrology can help us create shortcuts to recognizing our patterns.
How Debra used astrology in psychotherapy sessions with her clients.
Why religion took our power of self-assessment away.
How accepting what we've been given will turn it into magic.

[08:30] Entering The Aquarian Age

What it means for us to be in the age of Aquarius.
How too much freedom creates disorientation.
Why AI and technology are the signs of the Aquarian age.
How Jesus was found by astrologers.
Why in the past women couldn't be astrologers.
How we're in the process of learning to love each other.

[12:45] Lesson of Loyalty + Non-Judgment

What led Debra to finally write her book.
How her father contributed to who she is now.
What he taught her about friendship and loyalty.
How what we think is on the outside is not always what's on the inside.

[16:05] Are You An Old Soul?

J.P. Morgan
Why billionaires study astrology.
How everything in our lives is a karmic agreement.
Why discipline is a sign of an old soul.

[18:40] The Four Elements

The Missing Element by Debra Silverman
How Debra learned about the four elements.
Why the four elements help us live to our full potential.
Why water is the most important element.
The importance of remembering why we're here.
How the element of water determines our inner peace.
Why Debra stopped eating meat and dairy, and didn't drink any alcohol until she was 40.

[24:45] Do You Believe in Astrology?

How practicing astrology verified to Debra that it is valid.
Why she wasn't allowed to use astrology in her practice.
How her commitment created a separation.
Why she stopped depending on people as she got older.
How her family's issues motivated her to study psychology.

[28:50] The Golden Age

How we're at the end of the age of forgetting according to the Hindu culture.
Why we're done with the old system and ways of being.
How the transition we're going through right now as humanity will have a happy ending.

[31:15] How The Planets Influence Who We Are

Why the Sun is the most influential planet.
How the Moon describes the unconscious mind.
Why the Rising Sign shows what we're aiming for in life.
How every sign has a high road and a low road.
What dualities Debra struggles to accept.

[37:55] Observer On!

The Fourth Way by P. D. Ouspensky
How Debra practiced to become the observer.
Why the observer is not critical.
How being the observer can help us navigate conflicts with ease.

[41:30] Radical Self-Love

Gremlins (1984)
Why everyone has negative self-talk.
How awareness cures how we talk and perceive ourselves.
Why the unconscious mind doesn't have our best interest.
How Debra worked with Sting for a year and a half.

[46:20] Metaphysical Shopping

The difference between Western and Eastern astrology.
Why astrology is the foundation of all the other methods that help us get to know ourselves.
How success is an earthbound commitment.
Why most of us pass through the phase of metaphysical shopping.
How we can't go into metaphysics if we don't know ourselves.

[50:05] True Authenticity

Why Debra didn't want to live a superficial life.
How she stepped into her authenticity through astrology.
Why astrology should be taught at school.

[52:05] Relationship Astrology

Why only 2% of men are interested in astrology.
How most people want to know their relationship astrology.
Why we let go of our ego during an orgasm.
How romantic love is not as much about the other person as much it's about ourselves.
Why relationships are why we're here.
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How we're looking for divine connection in a relationship.

[57:15] The Power of Humility

How humility sparks curiosity.
Why we meet our partners based on our karma.
The importance of asking ourselves why we're here and what we're supposed to learn.
How we can ask god for guidance with humility.

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Power Quotes From The Show

Astrology Is About Pattern Recognition

"Pattern recognition is what astrology is about. The whole system is based on geometry, and sacred geometry is pattern recognition. There are these repetitive patterns that come on and on and on." - Debra Silverman

Relationships Are The Hardest Lesson

"The hardest lesson on planet Earth according to astrology is relationships: marriage, partnership, friendships, business partners, and commitments. Can we stay loyal? Can we listen to the other? Can we step over our egos? Can we really care about the other? That's 101 why we're here." - Debra Silverman

We're Entering The Golden Age

"We're at the very end right now of the Age of Forgetting. And we're just entering the Golden Age. But we're in this very thin threshold between worlds where we're going to be done with this old system. You and your children are heralding in an entirely new way of being. In the meantime, the transition is painful because we're so confused." - Debra Silverman

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About Debra Silverman

Debra Silverman | Your Pain Has a Pattern… and Astrology Reveals It All (This Isn’t Random) Debra Silverman is an astrologer and clinical psychologist whose pioneering work bridges modern psychology with traditional astrological wisdom.

Over more than four decades of private practice, she’s helped thousands of clients gain emotional health and self-understanding by integrating Jungian psychology with the ancient four-elements framework of water, air, earth, and fire.

Drawing on her unique “psychological-spiritual” model, Silverman customizes each consultation to the individual, viewing the natal chart as a 360° map of personality strengths, challenges, and growth opportunities.

She’s the founder of Four Elements Astrology, the host of the weekly online radio show Tell Me a Story, and the author of The Missing Element: Inspiring Compassion for the Human Condition.

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0:00.0	So what is the hardest lesson on planet Earth, according to astrology? Marriage, partnership,
0:04.9	friendships, business partners, and commitments. That's all karma. Those are people you had some agreement
0:10.4	with to come in and learn from. This is not a random order. Deborah Silverman is an astrologer,
0:16.1	psychotherapist, and author of I Don't Believe in Astrology. The patterns in astrology are irrefutable.
0:22.8	Have you noticed over time that you see the same pain show up in the same patterns,
0:27.8	in the same astrological signs?
0:29.9	Pattern recognition is what astrology is about.
0:32.1	And the whole system is based in geometry.
0:34.2	And sacred geometry's pattern recognition.
0:36.3	There are these repetitive patterns that come on and on and on.
0:38.9	Is that what drove you to being a licensed therapist? Every session I've ever done as a therapist
0:44.2	for all those years, the chart was in front of me. Psychology will be a dinosaur science
0:48.8	until it includes astrology. Totally relying on astrology as the backdrop has given me the gift of
0:54.0	short-cutting.
0:54.9	If you know the karmic agreement that someone came with, that you could give them permission
0:59.2	to be fucked up because the chart screams that and then to find the medicine, like, duh,
1:05.0	I don't know why we left it behind, tell you the truth.
1:07.9	So do you think that we choose our pain way before we come here?
1:15.3	The patterns in astrology are irrefutable. Have you noticed over time that you see the same pain
1:22.9	show up in the same patterns, in the same astrological signs, and if so, how?
1:29.1	Great question. And that's why I have the book. Because I went through so many sessions
1:33.8	with people and watched, as you described, pattern recognition is what astrology is about.
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