This is a global original podcast.

Hello and welcome to full disclosure with me, James O'Brien, a long-form interview series,

which officially takes some of the most interesting and important people in the public eye

and seeks to discover things about them that we didn't already know.

I used to have a slightly more pompous description, but Ricky Jervais laughed at it so much

when we were interviewing him. I've moved into more manageable language.

I like what you say, though.

And my guest, as you've gathered this week, is Deborah Meadon, the entrepreneur and star of Dragonsden.

Deborah, these in some ways are my favorite kinds of interview, because I don't know much about

you. I don't really know anything about you, except that you are successful for measurable

talents. You have become a public figure as a result of your business acumen and that led to the television

and the television now has rendered you completely recognisable. We're filming, I beg a pardon,

we're recording this at the Ivy Club in London's fashionable West End, which is why there's

a hubbub in the background. But you are, well, you're proper famous, aren't you? This is the

nicest way of putting it.

Well, I think Strictly did that.

I don't think anything whatsoever to do with my business world or, of course,

Buggins did a bit.

But could you tell?

Because Susanna Reid says the same thing, because she was already on telly every day,

let alone every week for one series like you are.

But when she did strictly, it was as if someone had injected a magic potion into her profile. It's kind of a

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