Hello and welcome to the iWave podcast with Jameela Jamell. I hope you're well. I'm fine.

Still nothing going on, still fuccall. Good just getting worse, so everything getting worse,

so everything getting dirtier. Just evolving. Will just be a puddle of a human being by the end of

this. Just nothing but a big pile of goat. So hopefully you are doing better than I am at

humaning and adulting because this is not pretty. Anyway, I am excited to speak to actual adult

Deborah France's white today who you may know as the guilty feminist. It's one of the most

successful podcasts in the world. They've had way over 70 million downloads by now and it is

just a funny irreverent safe space for people who care about feminism and care about causes

in particular those that affect women and gender non-conforming people. But they themselves

have some hypocrisies or they've made mistakes or they continue to be ignorant and have stuff to

unlearn. It's a safe space for everyone to learn together and have those difficult conversations

and own up to your flaws in a society that expects us all to be perfect and fully informed on

everything. So I obviously as someone who refers to herself as a feminist in progress and someone

who really I really resonate with this idea and I believe in not shaming people for wanting to learn

and I think it's really important to inject comedy wherever you can into these incredibly important

discussions. So I was super lucky to get the busiest comedian around at the moment to come and

talk to me about so many different issues. She's had such a fascinating life and she was so open

with me and she's so informed on everything that she speaks about. It was just very very thoughtful

and interesting. We talked about what it was like for her being adopted as a baby and then tracking

down her birth mother. We talked about her decision to not herself have children and instead choose

her career and make that decision and we talked about trans rights because it's something that Deborah

really cares about. Similarly to me she's very vocal about the fact that trans women are women

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