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Robert Wright's Nonzero

Debating Ukraine, Russia, China, and US Foreign Policy (Robert Wright & Bret Stephens)

Robert Wright's Nonzero

Nonzero

News & Politics, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.7618 Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2022

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

The US role in Ukraine’s recent offensive – and how Moscow might respond ... Could Putin fall from power if Ukraine’s success continues? ... Will more arms to Taiwan deter or provoke China? ... Bob: On foreign policy, the US has egregiously violated its professed values ... Bret: The US should go to war against China if it invades Taiwan ... Should the US use force to defend democracy around the world? ... Can international law constrain brutal leaders like Putin? ... How Trump is kind of like a foot massage ... Explaining versus justifying bad behavior in international politics ...

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0:00.0

You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.

0:08.9

Hi, Brett.

0:10.5

Bob, good to see you.

0:12.1

Good to see you.

0:13.1

Let me introduce us.

0:13.9

I'm Robert Wright, a publisher of the Non-Zero newsletter.

0:19.2

And this is the Non-Zero podcast. And you're Brett Stevens. Well-zero newsletter. And this is the non-zero podcast. And you're Brett Stevens, well-known columnist

0:25.3

from New York Times, occasionally controversial, winner of the Pulitzer Prize. You've been with us

0:30.7

before. It's been a while, though. Let me. Have you missed? Have you missed me? A little bit.

0:36.2

I worried that I'd worn out my welcome.

0:39.1

No, no, no, no, no.

0:40.2

I was just afraid to approach a person of your stature too soon, you know, for fear of being rebuffed.

0:51.6

Actually, let me tell people how this came about.

0:53.2

So I did a podcast a couple of months ago with your colleague at the New York Times, Tom Friedman.

0:58.5

I've heard of him.

0:59.8

Yes.

1:00.2

Many people have another Pulitzer Prize winner.

1:02.1

I don't know what it is about you.

1:03.6

Tom has three.

1:04.9

I've just got one.

1:06.3

So, yeah, that's why he was higher on my list than you. i don't blame you uh the um but i think are his

1:15.8

are any of his first column i guess they are some are yeah he won one for his coverage of

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