Debating the Legacy of the COVID-19 Pandemic

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🗓️ 26 September 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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It’s been five years since the pandemic began, but was our public health system or society to blame for our country’s failures to stop the spread? Some argue that public health leaders were unprepared, mismanaged the crisis, and provided inconsistent guidance. Others argue the failures were societal, citing widespread mistrust, misinformation, and other guidance, which undermined compliance and effectiveness. Now, in a new format, our debaters argue both sides of this nuanced and complex question: Was COVID a Public Health Failure or Did Society Fail Public Health? Dr. Tom Frieden, Former Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC); President and Chief Executive Officer at Resolve to Save Lives Doctor Mike Varshavski, Board-certified family medicine physician, UNICEF Ambassador, and Influencer Dr. Jerome Adams, 20th Surgeon General of the United States Dr. Dara Kass, Practicing ER physician and medical news contributor during the COVID pandemic, Former Regional Director in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Emmy award-winning journalist John Donvan moderates Visit OpentoDebate.org to watch more insightful debates. Subscribe to our newsletter to stay informed on our curated weekly debates, dynamic live events, and educational initiatives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:42.9	I'm John Donvan.
0:43.6	Welcome everyone to the third debate of the Hopkins Forum series presented in partnership
0:47.4	with the Stavros-Niarkos Foundation, Agora Institute of Johns Hopkins University,
0:51.8	where we are recording this episode today at the School of Nursing.
0:55.6	We are having a debate to assess an experience that I think I can say with a great deal of confidence
1:00.3	everyone paying attention has lived through. I refer to the COVID-19 pandemic. It became at a time
1:07.8	when millions died globally, not just a health crisis, but also a test.
1:12.5	A test of how good we are at coming together or not, at taking the right protective steps or not,
1:19.9	at keeping the whole matter above politics or not.
1:23.5	No one can dispute that even as legions of health care workers and others acted courageously and selflessly at the front lines.
1:30.2	Our collective response did not get too perfect, not even close.
1:34.9	There were missteps, some more obvious now in retrospect.
1:38.2	There were lessons learned, many the hard way.
1:41.3	It was an episode in our history which in some ways continues today, especially as
1:45.8	those who are in the decision-making roles continue today to explore and debate among themselves
1:52.3	what worked and what could have gone better. Today we are bringing together four healthcare
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