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A very good afternoon and welcome along to the program. I'm Justin Briley, your host for unbelievable this Saturday afternoon and whether you're listening today, this Saturday as part of faith explored, or indeed online via the website at premier Christian radio.

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you're very welcome along doing what we do best on this show which is a Christian

atheist discussion we're well known for those and if you go to the webpage

then you'll find a vast archive of back shows where you can listen to many a

discussion in the past as well. Indeed both my guests today have joined me in

the dim and distant past but it's nice to refresh the contact with them today.

So let me tell you what's coming up on today's program.

You're unbelievable!

Well, my guests are Nick Spencer and Julian Bejini. Nick is the acting director of the

Christian think tank Theos and his recent book is called Atheism The Origin of

the Species. Well you're going to be finding out about why Nick wrote this book about the way it details the history of

atheism and its modern incarnations but Julian Bejini is an atheist himself, he's a philosopher and writer.

His latest book is called The Virtues of the Table, How to Eat and Think, but he often interacts with issues

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