Debating Race and Incarceration with Vincent Lloyd

Conversations with Coleman

The Free Press

Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.5 • 625 Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2023

⏱️ 106 minutes

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Summary

My guest today is Vincent Lloyd. Vincent is a professor at Villanova University where he directed the Black Studies Program, leads workshops on anti-racism and transformative justice, and has published books on anti-black racism, including "Black Dignity: The Struggle against Domination". Now, Vincent is one of those rare guests with whom I have profound disagreements on the topic of race, but who's actually willing to have the conversation, which I'm very grateful for. Vincent came to my attention because of a stunning essay he wrote about his experience teaching a summer course on racism at the Telluride Association. He'll tell the full story in the podcast, but essentially his class was destroyed from within by a single hyper-woke person. It's a crazy story and I think it shocked him, and forced him to reckon with the anti-dialogue pro intimidation component of the campus far left. In any event, Vincent and I begin by talking about this strange experience of having his class imploded, and then we move on to debate our substantive disagreements about racism, police violence, race versus class, whether prisons are necessary, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:07.0	The Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
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0:55.3	with friends and family. As always, thank you so much for your support. Welcome to another
1:03.7	episode of Conversations with Coleman. Before I introduce my guest, I'd like to give a short
1:07.6	preamble. I often get the critique that I don't get enough guests that
1:11.4	disagree with me on my podcast, especially on the issues of race and racism, which is where my
1:17.2	opinions have been the most controversial. The idea is that I'm creating a sort of echo chamber
1:21.7	of people that mostly agree with me. Now, I can see how you might think this if you don't
1:26.8	see what goes on behind the scenes.
1:28.6	Behind the scenes, I've invited countless of my critics onto this show, and the near unanimous
1:33.2	response is just a refusal to speak with me. On the identity politics left, there is an actual
1:38.4	philosophy of not talking to or debating people like me. This is the same philosophy that leads
1:43.5	undergrad and increasingly
1:44.9	grad students to cancel and shout down invited speakers. So that is the main reason why you don't
1:50.8	see more guests who disagree with me. It's not for lack of trying on my part. Some of you may
1:55.6	remember that I wrote an open letter to Ibram X. Kendi asking him to have a public conversation where the entire
2:02.3	sum raised would go to a charity of his choice, and he declined. Ever since then, people at his
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