So sorry. I'm so sorry. That's okay. As you're just spit milky iced coffee all over me. So it's

really good to have them back in the studio.

Hello, welcome to another episode of the Weeds on the Box Media Podcast Network. I'm Matthew

Glacier's joined today by Ezra Klein who I guess in the new format Ezra's now like an expert.

That's all right. On the interview, I'm not just a panel today. I think that's how it works.

That's great. Technically. I mean, I guess it's it's our show. So we can we can do it.

But so okay, there's a lot of democratic debate lately. It was I would say most of the commentary on

this has been pretty horse racy. In some ways deservedly so because it was like 20 people up there.

Part of the horse race. But I mean, I see like it's just like a big question here in like a huge

field of 20 people is like who will be like a real candidate later in the process who we really like

dig deep in. But there was like some policy ground staked out and this is the Weeds. A lot of

policies. And we want to talk about it. And I think to me, the most striking thing was the very

large number of Democrats who agreed with a Julian Castro proposal to repeal section 1325

of I guess the Immigration Naturalization Act. Because both like Beto's refusal to agree to

this was like everybody agreed like a catastrophic moment for his candidacy. And then tons of

people signed up for it. And this is like a completely unfamiliar policy topic that like in a

couple days before the debate Elizabeth Warren had endorsed it. Right. So what is it? But so like

two weeks ago, I had no idea. But okay. So since Errera, which we have talked about many times with

Dara on this podcast in the mid 1990s, the American government for the first time created a specific

crime of entering the United States illegally. Right. So previously it had been that like it wasn't

illegal to enter illegally. And that meant various things followed from being present in the country

without legal authorization. But there wasn't like a crime of it. But in 1996, this crime was created.

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