Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

Welcome to this episode of Intellectual Conservatism.

Today I'm here with Trend Horn and Jay Dyer, and we are discussing the resolution Christian

should reject natural theology.

Jay Dyer is arguing in the affirmative and Trend Horn in the negative.

And obviously, if you've been paying attention to YouTube at all, you're familiar with both

of these gentlemen.

I don't think I have to give a strong introduction to either of them because they have a reputation

as defending the Christian faith, especially they've gone around debating various atheists

and other people online spreading, of course, the truth of Christianity.

And so rather than giving just a long introduction to both of them, I think I'll just go into

the format for this evening's discussion.

So we're going to start off with 15 minute opening statements followed by seven minute

rebuttals, four minute second rebuttals, eight minute cross examination periods, 30 minute

Q&A from you, the viewers, and then we'll close with five minute closing statements.

So I think Jay is going first and so I'll get all that set up and ready to go.

And when your time runs out, I'm just going to kind of holler in the background, but really

my goal in this discussion tonight is just to be in the background and to kind of not

exist.

Jay, are you ready?

Yeah, one thing I would like to say is just from the outset, thanks to Trent for doing this.

And as I was telling Trent beforehand, I've watched several of his debates, at least three

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