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Timothy Gordon Rules for Retrogrades Podcast

Debate Debrief: Filioque

Timothy Gordon Rules for Retrogrades Podcast

Timothy Gordon

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🗓️ 30 August 2025

⏱️ 138 minutes

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0:00.0

Yo, parish orphans, yo, retrogrades.

0:09.8

Today's episode will be debate, debrief, day two, topic two, on the filialque, on the

0:17.5

procession of the father, son, Holy Spirit.

0:25.6

How does procession work?

0:27.2

How does filiocque cash out historically, metaphysically, trinitarian theology?

0:36.1

How does it work?

0:40.9

Last Friday, one week ago, gosh, I can't believe that was one week ago now. The time is funny. So one week ago today, we were in Florida

0:48.8

and I was debating, I guess it was started technically in a few hours. It started this debate at seven,

0:57.7

really eight. And Jay Dyer and I debated three topics. Of course, the first topic of the debate

1:04.5

was the act as purest, God as pure act. I reviewed really thoroughly, I think satisfyingly, from my perspective, that debate topic yesterday, and we had some great super chats on it.

1:19.3

Today I want to review debate topic two, Philly O'Quay, Spiration, how does this all work? Generally speaking, I would agree that this was the segment,

1:34.9

the single segment that Jay carried, even ChatGPT said carried it definitively. I felt,

1:42.6

I felt bad about my performance here. When I

1:44.5

re-looked at it, I felt better, but not better in the sense that I think I carried it. For one

1:49.8

thing, he's like an expert on it. So it would have been a dropping of the ball for him to not carry it.

1:58.3

Remember, I'm not a trained theologianian and I'm not a self-trained

2:02.4

theologian either. Aside from few areas, I'm a trained metaphysician, trained Catholic

2:08.9

philosopher. So it would have been a dropping of the ball if I had not carried the pure act

2:15.4

part. You just can't really self-trained in metaphysics. It's just not how

2:21.3

that works. And as I found out, it's tough to, when you're going up against Jay Dyer, who knows

2:27.2

the filial, knows all the little angles, to beat him on that. Now, and it's all kinds of

2:34.0

funny business, foolishness,

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