DEBATE: Are Podcasters Destroying MAGA? - Batya Ungar-Sargon
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Konstantin Kisin & Francis Foster
4.5 • 3.4K Ratings
🗓️ 8 April 2026
⏱️ 75 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Polling shows that between 80 and 90% of Republicans back the president's war. |
| 0:08.0 | That podcast sphere is just so totally divorced from where average people are at. |
| 0:14.0 | And you see this come up on Israel, you see it come up on Epstein, you see it come up on Iran, |
| 0:19.0 | you see it come up on foreign policy again and |
| 0:21.6 | again and again. Even the people who get their news from Tucker Carlson totally disagree with him |
| 0:26.8 | on this issue, no matter how many times he says it's Israel's war. That's not a divide. That's a divide |
| 0:32.6 | between the podcasters and the content creators and then the mainstream voters. |
| 0:37.3 | The fact that the vice president, and frankly, let's be honest, they are apparent. |
| 0:41.3 | Oh, here we go. This is going to be interesting as well. |
| 0:44.3 | He will not be the nominee if he cannot distance himself from someone like Tucker Carlson. |
| 0:50.3 | He feels very confident about their chances of, you know, striking a deal with a new moderate |
| 0:57.5 | leadership in the near future. I could be very wrong about that. |
| 1:00.6 | Where do you get new moderate leadership when you're bombing a country? |
| 1:07.1 | Batsya, welcome back to Chicanometry. |
| 1:08.5 | Thank you so much for having me. I'm so honored to be here. |
| 1:11.6 | Oh, it's great to have you back. Last time we had you on that episode was really informative, absolutely crushed as well. |
| 1:17.6 | Thank you. |
| 1:18.6 | And the reason we wanted to have you back is you and I keep having a private debate in our DMs about some things that I actually think is really relevant to a lot of the stuff that we see particularly online at the moment. |
| 1:29.3 | And I guess the main thing that you keep saying to me is all of these podcast wars and, you know, Tucker Carlson versus Ben Shapiro and all of this stuff is not really remotely reflective of what's actually happening in America, which I find an interesting perspective, |
| 1:44.6 | because on the one hand, I think it's kind of hard to believe. On the other hand, when we see |
| 1:49.0 | Americans talking about British politics, which increasingly happens, I'm like, yeah, okay, |
| 1:53.1 | I can see how people from afar might be directionally somewhat accurate, but kind of also not |
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