It's not easy being Jeff Lewis, but I was nice. I was nice ish. You are an HR nightmare.

You don't return your phone calls. You don't return your text messages. You only return

an email of someone alert you that you have one and that is not a becoming habit for

a professional Jeff.

Jeff Lewis has issues.

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has issues and today's episode pop icons Debbie Gibson and

Karnie Wilson joined the show. We talk about living in RVs being patient with love and

90s throwbacks.

Morning Debbie. Good morning. We've been getting to know each other. This is so crazy because

I was a big fan in the 80s and 90s and listen to all your music and didn't you do something

like 11 albums? That sounds about right. I think so. I've lost count. Yeah. And you're

still touring. I am. I'm still touring. The latest albums I did. I did my holiday album.

You could just turn that off. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But yeah, I did a holiday

album last year and a new pop album. The body remembers two years ago and I hadn't done

an album of original pop songs in 20 years since then. But you do all your old stuff, right?

Like when you're on tour. Of course. Because Karnie was telling me because you guys have

known each other for a long time. Yes, we have. I even recorded a song that she wrote. I

think with China, but we're trying to remember what it was. I know. We can't remember.

It was like when I had lost a bunch of weight and then it was a song about coming out

and like being a butterfly and you and I remember you producing me in the studio.

I that I remember so well. I've got to look. I've got to find it. I have it. Listen,

I have the China writing session on cassette. Yeah, cassette. Yeah, because we live to

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