This is an I-Heart podcast.

Guaranteed Human.

It was a profound moment.

It's the duality of, oh my God, what in the world.

Who is this cruel?

Who can pull this off?

Whose friends pull it off?

How do you fabricate the details like that?

Yeah. I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is Betrayal, a show about the people we trust the most,

and the deceptions that change everything.

My real name is Deborah. My real name is Deborah, but typically everyone calls me Deb.

Deb Proctor grew up on the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma.

She recently retired from her role as the senior director of her tribe's domestic violence program.

And before that, she spent her entire career as a nurse.

After being an R.R.N., well, now it's been 48 and a half years.

Like a lot of people in the medical profession, she developed a keen sense for when someone is lying.

When you mention bullshit detectors, I can spot them a football field away or further.

Deb is Cherokee and proud of her Native American heritage. My grandmother who lived until she was 99 years old, she is actually our family's original in Rowley,

which means she is on the Dawes Roll.

The Dawes Roll was a list compiled by the U.S. government

in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

It named about 100,000 Native Americans who were allotted land.

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