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Death, Tax and Dishwashers

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BBC

News Commentary, Science, Mathematics, News

4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2021

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

New data appears to show that double vaxxed people between 40 and 79 are getting Covid at higher rates than people who are unvaccinated, but that's not the case. It's all down to how Public Health England estimates the size of different populations.

The Office for National Statistics described 2020 as "the deadliest year in a century". Now that we're more than two-thirds into 2021, we examine how this year is shaping up. We answer your questions on the new health and social care levy, and have words of congratulations and caution following Emma Raducanu's astonishing win in the US Open. Plus, where do you stand on in the dishwasher vs kitchen sink debate?

GUESTS: Mathematician James Ward Adele Groyer of the Covid-19 Actuaries Response Group Helen Miller of the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to more or less, the show that cuts through greasy data until the statistical

0:06.0

truth sparkles and squeaks. This week, the deadliest year in a century. That's how the office

0:13.5

for national statistics described 2020 in England and Wales. We're more than two-thirds of the way

0:19.6

through 2021, so how's this year shaping up? We'll answer your questions on the newly announced

0:26.0

Health and Social Care Levy with the help of a former tax personality of the year. And where do you stand

0:33.8

on the dishwasher versus kitchen sink debate? Right, I'm looking at the dishes for the more or less

0:39.2

household. I've got my bowl, I've got my soap, I've got my yellow rubber gloves on.

0:46.2

But first, on Saturday, ITV News tweeted a link to an article by their political editor, Robert

0:52.8

Pestin, with a following tweet. Infections higher amongst double-vaxed for those age 40 to 79

1:00.1

than for non-vaxed. Now that is surprising. And less surprisingly, given that this is Twitter

1:07.2

we're talking about, some people got very, very cross. If you see this stupid tweet, consider

1:13.9

reporting both the tweet and Robert Pestin for spreading disinformation. The vast majority of 40

1:20.8

to 79-year-olds are vaccinated. So this tweets intellectually bankrupt, and the equivalent of saying

1:27.8

car accident survivors are more likely to wear seatbelts. That's what I thought too at first,

1:33.7

but on close to inspection, Robert Pestin's article doesn't simply compare the total number of

1:39.2

cases in vaccinated and unvaccinated people without adjusting for the number of people in each

1:44.0

group, often known as committing the base rate fallacy. Other media outlets have often made

1:50.0

that mistake, but Pestin isn't that foolish. Instead, he based his analysis on some new data in

1:56.8

a report produced by public health England, and it does pretty clearly seem to show that people

2:02.8

who are double-vaccinated are getting COVID at higher rates than people who are unvaccinated.

2:10.1

Wow, so what's going on? Other vaccines, as some people always suspected,

2:16.1

and attempt by lizard overlords to enslave the world's population, are unvaccinated people behaving

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