This is death, sex, and money, the show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more. I'm in a sale. And first off, I want to say if this is one of the first episodes of death, sex and money you are listening to, welcome. We're glad you're here. Go to deathsexmoney.org and you can find a starter kit of some episodes to help you really dig in, along with our complete episode archive.

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As of this week, I can officially say that my book,

Let's Talk About Hard Things, is out in the world. And today's episode is a conversation

about that book with my friend and colleague, Noel King. If you listen to NPR's morning

edition, then you know Noelle's voice and her wonderful energy.

She's also been on this show a couple of times in the past. We've linked to those episodes

in our show notes. This conversation between us took place last week live over Zoom through

WNYC's The Green Space. The interview is about my book, but really it's a lot about the life stuff that helped inspire the book, with questions that only a friend would ask, like about the listeners I've connected with through this show, or what happened during one hot girl summer years ago.

Here's my conversation with Noelle King. I hope you enjoy it.

Hello and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for being with us to celebrate Anna Sale and her new book, Let's Talk About Hard Things.

I'm going to show you my copy of the book. It is already stained with coffee and tea and bits of food and

crumbs. And I think that is the way it should be with a book like this. If you know Anna,

if you know her podcast, Death, Sex, and Money, you know that she, bizarrely and virtuously,

really does like leaning into tough conversations. It is the way Anna is. And she and I have been

friends for, I just learned from her. It's close to 12 years now. And I have always thought that

Anna's brain is wired a little bit differently than everybody else's because of this talent and because of this desire to learn more about people,

to uncover the difficult things about people. And I think that when it comes to somebody

whose brain is a little bit different, you should try to learn from them. And this book is a really

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