Hey, it's Anna.

Earlier this month, as you probably know,

Trevor Noah ended his seven-year run hosting The Daily Show.

In his final episode at the desk, he said this.

I always tell people if you truly want to learn about America,

talk to black women.

Yeah, because unlike everybody else,

black women cannot afford to f*** around and find out.

Black people understand how hard it is when things go bad, especially in America,

but any place where black people exist, whether it's Brazil, whether it's South Africa,

wherever it is, when things go bad, black people know that it gets worse for them.

But black women in particular, they know what shit is.

And he thanked some black American women in particular.

Some black women who have taught me, all of them.

I mean, the scholars online, the, you know, the authors, everybody, the Roxanne Gays,

the Tressie Macmillan Cottoms, you know, I'll remember the names.

Listening to this, we were reminded of one of our very favorite death, sex, and money, episodes, one I wasn't involved in at all.

Tressie McMillan Codham, whom Trevor Noah mentioned there, was the host, and she interviewed Trevor.

I was out on maternity leave, and they sat together in New York and had a lively and lovely conversation about Trevor's mother, depression, masculinity, and they shared more than a few laughs, too.

It's a wonderful listen that we first released back in 2019 after Tressy had been on the Daily

show once. She went back on two more times, including during Trevor Noah's last week as

host. And just a word about the content of the episode, Suicide, comes up in this conversation.

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