I felt like, you know, why haven't I read anything about this or like, why haven't I heard

about like what this is like, no one's told me? I didn't know what like rigor mortis was,

you know, like, and that was horrifying. And so I felt like I needed to write about these things

in some ways to like warn people.

This is death, sex, and money.

The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more.

I'm Anna Sam.

Michelle's honor. Michelle Zoner is a rock star and a best-selling writer. You hear that when she talks.

She's both dispassionately cool and cutting with her words.

Like the day before we spoke, she tweeted something that caught my eye. She wrote,

The most Korean thing about me is that all my joy is rooted in vengeance. I was thinking about,

like, the small things that bring me great joy and, like, how they're, they're really rooted

in this kind of, like, full circle of vengeance and that's like a

really Korean thing there's like a whole emotion um that like a lot of people have talked about

called Han in Korean culture that's basically like this like Koreans like have so much trauma

from like being invaded and like a series of wars and being occupied,

um,

that there's always this feeling and that you're being slided.

And a lot of like people of my parents' generation,

um,

like don't believe that,

that younger generations have Han,

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