I know in some places school doesn't start until after Labor Day, but where I live in Berkeley, California, we get back at it before the middle of August even hits.

And for my family, this transition comes with a big move.

We pack up two kids, two dogs, and three rats, and move back from Wyoming to the Bay Area.

We have done this for many years now,

migrate to Wyoming for the summer season. Partially, it's for my husband's work, and also

because we love getting to be in the mountains and in rivers and with people we love. But the move

back and forth, that stinks. The frantic energy of organizing and sorting and deciding what you can

part with and how much will fit and trying to tidy at the very end, it is never not stressful.

And it always takes longer than I expect. Moving is when we really have to confront that change is here. What has been is over, and it's

time for whatever's next. Our episode this week is about a man who lives in that in-between space.

Adonis Williams, New York City mover. We first ran this episode a few years ago, and we wanted to share it again because he

reminds me of the magic that also comes along with picking up and moving to the next thing.

I am, yeah, I'm six, four, uh, 248 pounds. My employees use the word, uh, brolic a lot when they see me pick up stuff. Like I literally

would just pick a sofa up over my head while two of them are struggling with it, you know,

and I'll just say, I got it, and I'll just pick up the sofa bed over my head and start

walking with it. And they go, oh, my God, he's so brolic.

This is death, sex, and money.

The show from Slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more.

I'm Anna Sale.

If you haven't tried Abercrombie denim yet, you're missing out.

Denim should fit like this.

It's all about proportions.

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