In our episode we shared earlier this week, I talked with Jim Harris about how a spinal cord

injury left him partially paralyzed, and then how eight months into his recovery, he regained

some loss sensation and movement after taking psilocybin at a music festival.

When we recorded, we talked for a long time, right up to when his window of availability was closing.

But as I wrapped up and got ready to say goodbye, Jim said, can I ask you a few questions?

And it was interesting to hear what he was wondering about

after I'd asked him so many questions for such a long stretch.

So we kept talking, and we thought we'd share that with you, too.

What are you wondering?

Anna, you are so good at this kind of perspective taking interview style.

It kind of feels like there's almost two different skills that are, that come through

in the way that you listen and ask questions.

And one of those skills is this very deep, this very deep kind of emotional empathy, but then also the same time,

running in parallel, this is a very cognitive empathy where you're like asking a question,

refining whatever preconceptions you had about me or wherever else you're interviewing,

and then using that to make a more refined sort of model that you're using to update the next questions.

And I'm curious, like, how you think about that skill.

Has that always been something that's come really naturally for you?

Or is that, like, and how have you cultivated it?

I think that's a really, I've never thought of it in quite that way.

And I really appreciate you giving me words for my model.

I think that's right. I think, I think that you also observed when we were talking, like,

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