All right. Welcome listeners to episode 121 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Matt Sitman, your podcast co-host,

and I'm here as always with my great friend Sam at the Bell. Hey, Sam. Hi, Matt. You know,

this is one of those episodes. I don't want to say it's a treat for listeners because the topic is

sort of foreboding and a bit sad, but we did decide to do an episode on the Charlie Kirk Memorial Service held Sunday, September 21st, right around a week before you're going to be listening to this.

We decided to watch it and try to understand what was going on.

It's a bit of translation for you listeners who might not be familiar with this kind of evangelical Christianity that was on display.

And obviously, it was also, you know, a kind of funeral liturgy in a way. Death and politics

mixed together in very interesting ways. And so we thought the best person to have on is

one of the great thinkers in the Freudian tradition, I think, writing and talking these days,

our friend Pat Blanchfield.

Yeah, when death and politics comes up, there's almost no one I'd rather think with and talk with

than Pat Blanchfield.

And we mean that as a compliment.

We really do.

Pat, listeners, will be familiar with from previous episodes of the show.

We did an early and I think

a really, really important episode with him on guns and power in American politics. We've had

him on to talk about Freud in politics. And of course, he's an excellent freelance writer.

And he co-hosts one of my favorite podcasts with his wife, Abby Kluchen, called

Ordinary Unhappiness, which is a podcast about psychoanalysis and politics and the way we suffer

today, suffer and live today. And he's associate faculty at the Brooklyn Institute, where he teaches

classes on psychoanalysis and politics, and where I took

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