Death Of Gawker, And An Ego

The Dream

Little Everywhere

Health & Fitness, Business, Society & Culture

4.6 • 15.3K Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

About 10 years ago, Jane Marie was doing pretty damn good for herself. She was on her own, had a new baby and was working hard as an editor at the feminist website, Jezebel. Then, it all came crashing down when an editor at Gawker, the umbrella site Jezebel was published under, released a story about a recently discovered Hulk Hogan sex tape - including footage.

Enter Peter Theil, who had been looking for a reason to settle a score with Gawker when the Hulk scandal fell squarely in his lap. Theil ended up funding Hollywood Hulk's long, costly legal battle and when it was all said and done, Gawker couldn't keep up with the Theil money being thrown at them. They also made a few mistakes during depositions and trial testimony out of, let's just say, hubris, that didn't curry favor with the Judge deciding the case. When Gawker fell, it took everyone associated with the site down with it.

On this week's episode, Jane sits down with the once cocky and brash Gawker editor, AJ Daulerio (the one who decided to publish the Hogan story), to talk about the where and the why of it all and find out if anything's changed in AJ's life since the heady days of the 2010's.

You can find more from AJ and his current work with The Small Bow here:

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0:33.1	I'm Jane Marie, and this is The Dream.
0:40.3	I've been dying to talk to today's guest for years.
0:44.3	You see, about 10 years ago, a thing happened that, for a time, kind of crushed my American dream.
0:51.3	I was working at Gawker, which was a popular media outlet, writing about makeup and
0:57.3	feminism and terrible fashion. Life was great. When a scandal erupted involving Hulk Hogan,
1:05.0	who was backed by right-wing bagillionaire Peter Thiel, who were suing Gawker.
1:11.8	And it led to a really expensive trial, and I lost my job in the fallout.
1:16.2	I was a new mom. I was fairly broke. I was separated from my husband, and I was pissed.
1:22.0	The guy we're going to hear from today was one of the people I was most pissed at.
1:26.1	But over time, he's become, well, almost a completely different person.
1:31.3	My name's A.J. Delario, born Bucks County, Pennsylvania.
1:38.1	You know what's in Bucks County right now? New Hope.
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