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Hey, it's Mariel. It's hard for a lot of us to talk about money because of how we were raised, because we're told it's impolite conversation, because we don't know how to communicate with people who have a lot more or a lot less money than we do, and for a million other reasons.

And yet, in the astute words of Wu-Tang Clan, cash rules everything around me.

Money is the hidden participant at every dinner table.

Like every major life change that we go through, we effectively have to have a money discussion.

When someone has a child, right, that comes with a financial burden.

When someone gets sick, that comes with a financial burden.

When you get married, that comes with a financial transition.

When you move countries, when you get a new job.

Wendy De La Rosa is a behavioral scientist and an assistant professor of marketing

at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School.

And she says in these moments, yeah, we tend to shy away from money conversations, but she'd

like us to have some of those.

And so would Katie Gaddy Tossin, host of the Money with Katie show and author of the book

Rich Girl Nation.

Katie says, look, we're all learning how to make better financial decisions for ourselves

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