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On this episode, I speak to a former Scotland coach in mind. We actually finished the

highest in the six nations ever. Third. You won't guess who it is. But it's the current

Dragon's director of rugby. He's an all-round legend. And he's one of my favourite coaches.

And also, loved him on TV as well. It's the wonderful, the powerful Dean Ryan.

Thanks, mate. First time we've ever spoken in terms of me and the media and you as a

coach. We've not spoken for ever. We've not done a podcast or anything in the back.

No, we haven't. I saw you pitch side once and tried to avoid your comments. So now I've

stayed away from that too. Yeah, absolutely. It's class. I always speak

about you in high regard, Dean, as the greatest Scotland coach I ever had. You know,

that still stands. You as the Scotland coach, I can't remember what year it was, but we

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