How clean do you want your living space to be? I mean, are you fastidious? Does it have to be white glove clean? Or are you a little more looser, a little more creative? I would say my wife and I valued organization and cleanliness. But when kids came along, I said I'd rather have emotionally healthy kids. I'll trade that in for an unclean house at some level.

And by golly, my kids took me up on the offer.

I'm John Fuller, joined by Dr. Danny Werta, who leads our parenting team.

And Danny, how about you?

I mean, there's a certain level of clutter that I have accepted and actually embraced as part of this house gets lived in.

Yes. Yeah. We have to get to that mindset because it's very hard to keep a house perfectly

clean and not sacrifice something relationally with our kids. So you do have to give up something.

Either it's the cleanliness or part of the relationship with the kids. So you do have to give up something. Either it's the cleanliness or part of the

relationship with the kids. My wife and I wanted our house organized. You know, I mean,

that's what we're striving. It seems like a good goal, yeah. But there were, and we still,

we still have loved that and wanted that.

It takes maintenance.

It takes a lot of energy.

And you have to look at the clutter of your mind, the clutter of your life so that you can declutter your home.

Many times it's indecisiveness that creates clutter in the house.

And most parents, and in fact, the stats show, John, the statistics show that parents,

most parents are at the point of burnout, seven out of ten.

So if a person's at a point of burnout and has to be making constant decisions at home,

do we need this, do we not need that? Usually it gets punted or put into a room

where it's a four later room that never gets done. And then that spills out into other places.

And then things don't have a place to go. And so Heather and I have had those conversations

in the past. When does the decision need to be made? What do you like

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