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Now these are interesting times for the defence industry. The war in Ukraine has prompted a rethink here and elsewhere about the need to invest in armed force, potential good news for the industry. And the idea that it's not an ethical business, one that the socially conscious investors should run away from, well, that has begun to be questioned too. If weapons help Ukraine,

are they always bad things? Well, defence is a sector that has always been interesting,

so reliant as it is, on government, demand for its wares, coming in cycles reflecting cold wars

and hot, often an industry using the most sophisticated tech, perhaps too sophisticated sometimes

to be delivered on time and budget. So we thought today we would take a look at what's going

on in this interesting industry. And to help us, I'm joined by three

guests involved in defence. So let me introduce them one by one. First is Dean Rosenfield,

head of Saab UK. Also, it's global marketing director. Now, Dean, many people will think Saab. It's a

carmaker. Just tell us about the defence business, because it's actually quite a significant one.

Well, we're a 19,000 strong global defence and security company.

We're established in 1937, chiefly around building an Air Force for Sweden.

But since that time, we've been expanding globally to now where we sell to over

100 countries and we're resident in 35, and obviously the UK being one of those. Right. You make some

products that people might have heard of, Enlaw, for example. So this is the thing that we have been

giving to Ukraine. The British have given some stocks of that to Ukraine.

Tell us what it is and how long it takes to make one.

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