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Conversations With Coleman

Deal or No Deal? October 7 Hostage Families Divided

Conversations With Coleman

The Free Press

Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 1 September 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

It’s been nearly two years since October 7, when Hamas took over 250 people hostage. Since then, families of the captives have led a relentless campaign to bring them home, but they haven’t always agreed on how to get there. As a new ceasefire deal is on the table, I speak with three voices from that struggle. One is Dalia Cusnir-Horn, who has one brother-in-law, Iair Horn, who was captured and then freed and another, Eitan Horn, who is still held in Gaza. Dalia has become a leading advocate for a negotiated release. I also speak with Tzvika Mor and Talik Gvili, parents with a very different view. Tzvika speaks to me from a protest calling for “total victory.” Both argue that only military pressure will bring real resolution, and to negotiate with Hamas is not an option. A special thanks to our sponsors: Listen to ⁠Boundless Insights ⁠wherever you get your podcasts for smart, honest conversations about the biggest stories shaping Jewish life, Israeli politics, and their global impact. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.

0:08.8

It's been over 690 days since October 7th when Hamas took at least 250 people hostage.

0:15.4

The families have been united in a campaign to raise attention about the plight of their loved

0:19.3

ones, but their views on whether

0:21.1

a ceasefire is the answer have always diverged. As we approached the two-year mark, I wanted to know

0:27.4

where the families of hostages stood now. What do they think Israel and its allies should be doing

0:32.5

now that a new deal is on the table? First, I speak to Dahlia Cousner Horn. She's the sister-in-law of brothers

0:40.2

Yair and Eiton Horn, who were kidnapped from kibbutz near Oz by Hamas on October 7th. After her

0:47.0

husband's brothers were taken hostage, she became a prominent spokesperson and activist advocating

0:52.1

for their release and the return of all hostages held in Gaza.

0:56.5

Eventually, Yair was released and is safely at home. A. Tan remains a captive.

1:03.4

Okay, Dalia, thanks so much for coming on my show. Thank you.

1:07.4

In this episode, we're trying to get different perspectives from families of people that

1:14.9

were kidnapped by Hamas.

1:18.3

And it's a pleasure to talk to you.

1:20.5

The first thing is my audience may not be familiar with your particular story, the story

1:25.6

of your two brothers-in-law. So I'm sure you've told it

1:29.0

many times before, and I know it's a difficult story to tell, but if you could just briefly

1:33.3

tell us from your perspective on October 7th, what did you learn about your brothers-in-law? And

1:40.1

maybe you could talk about each one of them and what's happened with them since.

1:44.8

Okay. So I'll start by saying that I am married to Amos, my husband, and he's the middle brother.

1:52.3

He has two siblings. Yeahir is the oldest. He's 47 and Atanis the youngest is 38.

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