Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims,

whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering, how is this even real?

I use my experiences in law enforcement, corrections, and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts.

Some so evil, many feel they are unspeakable.

Warning, unspeakable is intended for mature audiences.

If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl.

Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, it's KJ. You're back with another episode of Unspeakable.

If you have been listening to this show and you're up to date on episodes, then that is, that's a cool thing. Because that means that the last episode you heard was about Daniel Marsh,

who murdered Mr. Chip and Miss Claudia.

And the reason I'm bringing this up again is because, you know, he was trying to claim that he was

rehabilitated.

And that came only whenever a new law passed. And he realized that there was a new

opportunity for him to be released if, you know, he was rehabilitated. And so that jump started him

into pretending basically that he was. And I do hope that you learn some things whenever I'm covering

these cases, not just true crime

fan just because of the story, but I hope that I can teach you a thing or two along the way.

I hope it opened your eyes to the manipulation attempts by many offenders and how important

it is that we look at the psychology of someone who kills And we really invest our time into understanding who

these people are on some level, even if it's just the fact that we can understand them.

We cannot. We cannot empathize. We cannot sympathize. We cannot understand how someone could do

the things that they did. But at least when the games are played by these people and they're playing chess

from behind bars, that you realize the reason that I'm stressing the importance of the victims

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