Day 722 - Yossi Klein Halevi: Struggling to make moral sense of the Gaza war
The Times of Israel Daily Briefing
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🗓️ 27 September 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
Welcome to What Matters Now, a weekly podcast exploring key issues currently shaping Israel and the Jewish World, with host deputy editor Amanda Borschel-Dan speaking with Yossi Klein Halevi.
This week, we speak with Hartman Institute senior fellow, author and thinker Yossi Klein Halevi from his Jerusalem home overlooking the back of the Mount Herzl National Military Cemetery.
With that backdrop, we delve into a recently published Klein Halevi essay, "Our season of reckoning: Israel’s moral crossroads in Gaza," which he said was the hardest piece he's ever written -- and the one that has received the most response.
We learn why Klein Halevi felt it important to chart this moment of ethical dimension, as it is unlike any other the IDF and the nation has faced.
While Klein Halevi may not have the answers to the multitude of questions facing the world's most moral army, he believes the struggle and questioning are imperative for both Israelis and Diaspora Jews.
And so this week, we ask Yossi Klein Halevi, what matters now?
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IMAGE: Yossi Klein Halevi (courtesy) / People take part in a protest demanding the immediate release of all hostages held by Hamas and calling for the end of the war in the Gaza Strip, in Jerusalem, September 3, 2025. (AP Photo/Leo Correa)
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Times of Israel's What Matters Now, a weekly podcast diving into one issue that affects Israel and the Jewish world right now. I'm your host, Amanda Borschal Dan, here with scholar, author, and senior fellow at the Hartman Institute, Yossi Kleina Levy. Yossi, thank you so much for allowing me into your home again. |
| 0:22.7 | It's great to have you back. |
| 0:24.4 | It is such a pleasure to be here and to look out upon the Jerusalem forest. |
| 0:29.0 | Can never, never be a disappointment. |
| 0:31.6 | It's just so beautiful. |
| 0:32.7 | And you're such a lucky guy to have this as your view as you were. |
| 0:35.9 | I really am. |
| 0:36.9 | And, well, you know, the other side of this is that this is also the view, this is also the back |
| 0:44.5 | of the National Military Cemetery. |
| 0:47.6 | And sometimes I'm sitting here at work, and I'll hear the eulogies from the next hill. |
| 0:57.0 | And the first time I heard that, I didn't know what it was. |
| 1:01.0 | And so it just permeates daily life and in the most tangible way. |
| 1:09.0 | It's so true. |
| 1:12.2 | And Yose, I don't know if you know this, |
| 1:15.7 | but that is actually this spot where I decided to make Aliyah. |
| 1:20.8 | I was a very young, very ignorant, naive American, |
| 1:24.0 | just sightseeing on a Friday. |
| 1:25.9 | It was my first year here in Israel. |
| 1:29.1 | And I reached, I had this list of spots I was meant to go see and Mount Herzl was on that list, not knowing it was a military cemetery. |
| 1:34.9 | I showed up one Friday morning and I was, of course, taken aback. And that was the moment that |
| 1:42.1 | I realized what it meant to be Israeli. |
| 1:45.2 | And we're living in a time right now, Yossi, and you just... |
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