Day 6: Peace Through Holy Conversation
Catholic Classics
Ascension
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🗓️ 13 June 2026
⏱️ 22 minutes
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Summary
Brother Lawrence reminds us that holiness is not found in extraordinary experiences, but in simple and consistent attentiveness to God's presence. Fr. Gregory and Rebecca reflect on the gift of holy conversation, the role of Christian friendship in the spiritual life, and the peace that comes from surrendering ourselves completely to God. Today, we read Part 2: Fifth Letter and Sixth Letter.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, I'm Father Gregory Pine. And I'm Rebecca Dockertie. And you're listening to The Catholic Classics podcast, where we seek to grow our interior lives by learning from the church's greatest saints and teachers. Each season will read through a great work, explain its spiritual principles, and help you to apply its timeless wisdom to your life. The Catholic Classics podcast is brought to you by Ascension. This season, we are reading |
| 0:20.9 | Ascension's exclusive translation of the practice of the presence of God by Brother Lawrence. |
| 0:25.8 | This is day six. Today we'll be reading part two, fifth, and sixth letter. A few reminders |
| 0:30.9 | before we get started. The best place to listen to this season is on the Ascension app. On the app, |
| 0:36.0 | you'll find reflection questions, |
| 0:42.7 | full transcripts, and video episodes for each day. It's still completely free to listen on the Ascension app. All you need to do is download the app and create an account. You can download |
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| 0:56.3 | Before we get into the reading, a quick look at what we're covering today. |
| 0:59.8 | Today, we're on the fifth letter and sixth letter, so part two of the work, |
| 1:04.1 | and the main themes are going to be Christian community with an emphasis on holy conversation. |
| 1:09.6 | Let's get started. |
| 1:12.0 | Fifth letter. My Reverend Father, I cannot find my way of life written about in books. |
| 1:18.6 | Now, I'm not at all troubled by this, but nevertheless, I turn to you to receive greater assurance |
| 1:24.6 | and would like to know your thoughts about the state in which I find |
| 1:28.1 | myself. A few days ago, in a private conversation with a pious woman, she told me that the |
| 1:34.3 | spiritual life is a life of grace, which begins with servile fear, increases through the hope of |
| 1:39.8 | eternal life, and comes to its consummation in pure love, and that each person progresses by |
| 1:46.0 | different degrees to finally arrive at this blessed consummation. |
| 1:50.4 | I have not followed all these methods. |
| 1:53.2 | On the contrary, by an inexplicable impulse, they filled me at first with a fear that caused |
| 1:58.7 | me upon my entry into religious life, to resolve to give |
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