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I would imagine there are a lot of people who would like to have done different things, but didn't, for whatever reason, didn't feel they could follow that particular path

due to other constraints or family and whatever.

And as you say, where you are now is a reflection of you having done that.

So in your, yeah, I mean, we'll get into that in more detail later,

but in your coaching program, you're speaking from your own experience rather than just saying, just saying,

oh, you know, this is what's good to do. You've actually, you know, you've walked a walk,

you know, so you can then share what that's like, how that feels when you're going through.

As you say, the challenges and what's around you and not wanting to upset people.

So, you know, so many people, you know, so many people are people pleases and,

and struggle with that, don't want to be rejected or, you know, upset others, that kind of thing.

So, yeah, as I say, we'll call it.

But one question, when you said you packed books in your suitcase, can you remember what

they were?

I'm just curious.

You know, in the first trip in 2002, this was pre-Kindle.

I didn't get to this part in the story but in in 2008 i ended up

just leaving my new york city bartending job and i took a year off and it was the first

generation kindle and so i ended up packing putting like 40 books in there but let's rewind

in 2002 i probably had enough space for like i don't know several books in my backpack um let's rewind. In 2002, I probably had enough space for like, I don't know,

several books in my backpack. There were some classics in there that people talk about,

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