Dawn Butler on challenging Boris Johnson's lies - and does she want to be Labour leader?
The Owen Jones Podcast
Owen Jones
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🗓️ 16 August 2021
⏱️ 22 minutes
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Summary
Dawn Butler MP was ordered to leave the House of Commons after calling Boris Johnson what he objectively is - a liar. What does it tell us about our country that the only people held to account for Tory lies are those who call them out? Dawn talks to me about the normalisation of lying, how she called out Tory racism, how the huge response she's generated shows a thirst for opposition currently lacking in Labour - and whether she has any ambitions to one day be Labour leader herself?
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, this is Owen Jones, welcome to the podcast. Dawn Butler is a Labour MP who courageously |
| 0:13.2 | stood up against the lies of Boris Johnson and was kicked out of the chamber for doing |
| 0:16.8 | so because we live in a system where Boris Johnson can get away with lies and the people |
| 0:21.6 | who are held to account, are those who call them out on it. So I've got lots to talk to |
| 0:26.6 | about Dawn, about Tory lies, about how it's been normalized, including the normalisation |
| 0:30.5 | of Tory racism. Also interested on the whole question of the Labour leadership, does she fancy |
| 0:35.5 | a point at the job? Do you support us on patreon.com for us last on |
| 0:38.7 | Jones 84, you keep the show in the road with our brilliant team and all the different |
| 0:42.4 | work we do, or you can use the support function in the description. And do subscribe and |
| 0:48.1 | leave us a rating, that'd be really kind of you. With that said, listen to Dawn. |
| 0:56.6 | Hey, Dawn, how you doing? Morning, I'm sorry you've got COVID. Yeah, I'm good, thanks. |
| 1:08.8 | Not too bad. What's going on? No, I didn't, I didn't thank goodness. I haven't, I was ill, |
| 1:16.4 | but it wasn't COVID, yeah. Well, I didn't get my antibodies until I got my jabs. |
| 1:21.2 | Oh, right. Okay. So you're fully jabs. You can't get COVID, obviously, just a cloth |
| 1:24.6 | of everybody through, er, through YouTube. So she's not a risk. So Dawn, what we're going |
| 1:30.0 | to do, I'm just going to put, we're just going to put a little clip up of you very courageously |
| 1:36.1 | and honourably doing the right thing, which is calling out the Prime Minister's lies in |
| 1:39.3 | Parliament and then facing the consequences. Prime Minister's of the economy is grown |
| 1:43.7 | by 73%. It's just not true. Reinstated nurses, personally, just not true. It wasn't at work |
| 1:49.2 | in anywhere in the world, just as it true. Tory's invested 34 billion in the NHS, not true. |
| 1:54.6 | The Prime Minister said we have severed the link between infection and serious disease |
| 1:58.3 | and death. Not only is it not true, Madam Deputy Speaker, but it is dangerous and it's dangerous |
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