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You're listening to Insights at the Edge.

Today I speak with David White.

David is a passionate speaker, poet, and the author of the Sounds True audio learning program, Clear Mind, Wild Heart, and most recently, What to Remember When Waking,

the Disciplines of Everyday Life. This is one of my favorite insights at the edge conversations.

David and I spoke about exile as a core human competency, the conversational nature of reality,

vulnerability as enhanced perception, and the invisible support that surrounds us.

Here's my conversation with David White.

Welcome, David, to Insights at the Edge.

I want to share with you a little bit about what happens behind the scenes here at Sounds True,

which is our copywriters listen to new programs that we're putting out,

and they take notes on them, and then they write the package copy.

And before this conversation, I asked our copywriter, Grayson, if I could read his notes.

And he said, yeah, sure, you're going to love this program, Tammy.

I'm completely blew my mind.

And I was like, okay, let me read the notes.

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