Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and

downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran whose Instagram profile

picture is suspiciously decades old or else a scrappy upstart, whose twitch avatar is

just a creepy guy fox mask. This is your show because ultimately it is what every writer

seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off, actually writing.

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