Hey, prime members, you can listen to the Daily Stood Podcast early and add free on Amazon Music. Download the app today.

Welcome to the Daily Stood Podcast where each day we bring you a passage of ancient wisdom designed to help you find strength, insight, and wisdom every day life.

Each one of these passages is based on the 2000 year old philosophy that has guided some of history's greatest men and women. For more you can visit us dailystood.com.

Hey, it's Ryan Hall. They welcome to another episode of the Daily Stood Podcast.

So this would have been 2016. I was on BookTour for Ego is the enemy and I was giving a talk in DC.

This would have been a politics and prose. I had a dinner next door with Count Newport first and then I went over and did my talk.

And after after you give a talk people come up and say hello and a guy came up and was telling me that he enjoyed the story that I told about George Marshall because he himself was working on a biography of George Marshall.

And so we immediately nerded out because I love George Marshall and only like halfway through the conversation did the man today's guest David roll offer that he was rich rolls father also podcast guest great friend to me and supporter of my work over the years.

I obviously that's that's how David had found out about the book, but I was so looking forward to this book he gave me an early copy I read it when it came out. I guess this would have been last July July 2019.

I when I was writing Ego is the enemy I read all the books that were about Marshall and unfortunately there's not a lot of famously Marshall doesn't write an autobiography is offered a million dollars for it 1950s dollars and turns it down because he's a not an egotistical man.

So this great human being his legacy is suffered because of his ego listness that's the sort of the contradiction the paradox of George Marshall why I wanted to focus on on Ego's the enemy.

So this is a very necessary very important and riveting biography and I was so excited to have Dave on a texted rich I said hey would you have a come on the podcast I don't know why I didn't ask him earlier and he said I think he would and so came on and actually I would also highly recommend rich had David on and it was a fascinating interview to have a son interview a father.

They get into all sorts of very vulnerable stuff it's a great interview anyways David and I nerd out about one of I think the great stoic leaders of the 20th century George Marshall we connect into the present day talk about the art of biogurizing and of course the real purpose of reading and writing biography which is to learn real lessons we can apply to our lives.

Look this is a great book seriously just go on Amazon and check out the blurbs of this book I mean it's nuts Walter Isaacson general Stanley Macrystal Evan Thomas the Washington review of books Susan page I mean all the reviews you could possibly want this book is shamefully not as well known as it should be it deserves a wide audience just as George Marshall deserves a huge audience if you're looking for a great book to read to kick 2021 off you can't go wrong with this thing check it out David is.

David is not just an author I would say he is although he wrote another book called the Hopkins touch and he wrote a biography of Lewis Johnson Harry Truman defense secretary but he's senior counsel at steptoe in Johnson International law firm is now a non resident fellow at the German Marshall fund he is the real deal great guy and I think you like this interview.

I wanted to start with what I think is maybe the most magnificent moment in American history one of the most magnificent moments in leadership certainly and that's the the moment where

FDR is trying to guessing up the FDR is trying to decide who will command the invasion of normally and I thought maybe you can ask the moment.

It was a conversation Cairo December 1943.

The conversation between George Marshall and President Franklin Roosevelt Roosevelt began this was in his villa in Cairo after they got back from the Tehran conference.

But that conference Stalin bluntly opened the second plenary saying who will command over Lord and Roosevelt was not ready he had not made his decision this was later on in December.

And then they had a conversation in Cairo they left the Tehran they got to Cairo they had the conversation in Roosevelt's villa and Roosevelt beat around the bushes usually did when before he got to the point.

And then they said to Marshall you want to command operation over Lord you really want that. And Marshall said Mr. President.

...