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The New Yorker Radio Hour

David Remnick Talks with Robert Caro about “Working”

The New Yorker Radio Hour

WNYC Studios and The New Yorker

News, Wnyc, David, Arts, Yorker, Society & Culture, Storytelling, Books, New, Remnick, Politics

4.26.2K Ratings

🗓️ 18 June 2019

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Robert Caro is a historical biographer unlike anyone else writing today, with the Pulitzer Prizes, National Book Awards, and other honors to prove it. But to call his books biographies seems to miss the mark: they’re so rich in detail, so accurate, and at the same time so broad in scope, that they’re more like epics of American history. David Remnick sat down with Caro at the McCarter Theater, in Princeton, New Jersey, on the occasion of the publication of “Working,” a volume of Caro’s speeches and other writings. They covered Caro’s early years as a newspaper reporter, his determination to tackle a project—the rise to power of Robert Moses—that no one had accomplished, and finally his chronicle of the life of Lyndon Johnson. Caro has completed four volumes on Johnson, with a fifth, covering the Presidency, in the works. Remnick asks about Caro’s singular method of interviewing in depth, and Caro describes his interview with Sam Houston Johnson, the president’s brother, which Caro conducted at the National Park Service’s Lyndon B Johnson Boyhood Home historic site. “I took him into the dining room,” Caro recalls, and told Johnson to sit where he had sat as a child. “I didn’t sit where he could see me . . . . I sat behind him. So I said, ‘Now tell about these terrible arguments your father used to have with Lyndon at the table.’ At first it was very slow going, you’d have to keep prompting him. But finally he was just shouting it out: ‘Lyndon you’re a failure, you’ll always be a failure. And what are you, you’re a bus inspector!’ And I felt he was back in the moment. So I said, ‘Now Sam Houston, I want you to tell me again those wonderful stories you told me before, that everybody tells about Lyndon Johnson.’ And there was this long pause. And then he says, ‘I can’t.’ And I said, ‘Why not?’ And he says, ‘Because they never happened.’ And without me saying another word, he starts to tell the story of Lyndon Johnson, which is a very different story of a very ruthless young man.”

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0:00.0

From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of the New Yorker and WNYC Studios.

0:09.9

I'm David Remnick, and this is the New Yorker Radio Hour. Thanks for joining me. If you read anything about American history and politics, you've got to know the name Robert Caro.

0:20.1

He's written about two politicians, just two,

0:22.3

but both of them were masters in the art of wielding power. The first book was about Robert Moses,

0:28.5

the city planner who shaped modern New York more than any human being. Then Carrow began to write

0:34.2

about Lyndon Johnson, who signed much of the key progressive legislation of the

0:38.5

1960s, but also presided over the disaster in Vietnam.

0:44.2

Caro has already published four volumes on Johnson's life, with a fifth to come, and that

0:49.0

book will cover the crucial years of the presidency. But to call those books, mere biographies kind of misses the mark.

0:56.0

They're so rich in detail, so accurate, and at the same time, so broad in scope and dramatic,

1:02.0

that they're more like epics of American life.

1:05.6

Robert Caro himself has become a kind of legend among nonfiction writers.

1:09.7

We all talk about him all the time,

1:11.3

and he's just published a book called Working,

1:13.6

and it's a gift.

1:15.0

It's a collection of interviews and essays

1:17.0

that talk about the craft of what he does.

1:20.7

Robert Caro and I sat down to talk recently

1:22.8

at the MacArthur Theater in Princeton, New Jersey.

1:33.8

I want to start out at the beginning, Bob.

1:39.4

Your first job out of college was as a reporter at the New Brunswick Daily Home News. And I'd like to know what you thought you were getting into, what you thought your life would

1:50.3

be like as a newspaper reporter, what you wanted out of that job, where you thought you were

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