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Welcome to the Bowelwork podcast. I'm Charlie Seix. It is the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, so I'm sure that many of you are already heading out and

hopefully prepared to check out for the four day weekend and just a quick reminder that tomorrow's podcast, we will have a podcast on Thanksgiving, but it will be different. We will have the entire Bowelwork family on the podcast to reflect on the past year and talk about what they are grateful for.

And I think it will be worth your time. I think we can take a one day break from the punditry to do that.

We wake up today, though, with another unfortunately quintessentially American story of another shooting in Virginia. I've lost track is this the 600th mass shooting.

We're at the point now where if at the end of the week, we look back and say, well, let's talk about the mass shooting. You have to say, well, you need to be more specific, which mass shooting the club in color of springs or the Walmart in Virginia.

And so joining me once again on the podcast, David Pries, who is the publisher of law fair and co-host of the weekly national security podcast called chatter. Welcome back, David. How are you?

I am okay. It's horrible to wake up to news like that. And yet I balance that with kind of a smile on my face because of what you said about the podcast tomorrow, right?

This is a chance to give thanks and on chatter, which is the law fair podcast that Shane Harris and I co-host. We just recorded an episode that will also air tomorrow in which Shane and I give thanks.

We spent the time instead of talking to a guest at length about a national security related topic. We spend time reviewing what happened during the past year. How grateful we are for our guests and our listeners and kind of putting putting some perspective on the daily dark news.

Yeah, that is important. I think we need to cultivate gratitude. I think that we are.

Unfortunately, wired to focus on the negative, the bad news and I think it takes an active will step back and go, okay, what were the good things? Let's put things in perspective.

You know, I've had this conversation with with a lot of my friends that you may have, you know, 90 really good things happened to you, but you'll focus on the two or three terrible things because I maybe that's the way we're wired, right?

We're out on the savannah and we're wired to worry about, you know, the the the lion in the tall grass that's going to come and eat us as opposed to, hey, that's a beautiful flower over there, right?

I mean, that's that's how we've survived as a species, I suppose, kind of a miserable species.

Yeah, that's how we've gotten here, right? But it also gives us the ability to appreciate the flower more because when you are aware of the darkness, when you're aware of the threat, yeah, you can actually step back and appreciate the things that might otherwise blend into the background.

Well, let's come back to this later in the podcast because I want I want to spend a little bit of time on this, but I don't know whether I've told you this, I've shared this many, many, many times.

So people who have been following me over the years know what my reaction is, I hate the morning after mass shootings more than anything.

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