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I'm very pleased today to be joined by the former Democratic Party chairman of the great state of Ohio, David Pepper, an author of multiple books, including his latest Saving Democracy, a user's manual for every American.

Welcome, David Pepper. Thank you. It's

honor to be with you, Steve. David, you were the chairman, Democratic chairman, Democratic Party

chairman of the state of Ohio, which has become a Republican state in recent years. But up through the 2004 Bush election, which I was part of in

2008, was considered to be the really top swing state along with Florida that decided the

election. Just in a nutshell, what happened?

This was a state that narrowly went to George Bush in 2004,

Barack Obama in 2008, to Donald Trump by 2016.

And coming into 2024, this looks like a Republican state except for,

and we'll talk about that in a minute, some of the overreach of the party and the election

snapback.

But in a nutshell, for people who are not from Ohio,

talk about what happened.

And then secondly, talk about how corrupt the state has become under the one-party rule of the Ohio Republican Party.

Sure. And a great question. And it brings back painful memories when you were celebrating.

I wasn't 04 all day. We were being told that Kerry was going to win. And I was out at a poll trying to help. But big

picture, you know, I think it's fair to say that Ohio always has always leaned a couple points

to the right. I don't think it's been quite 50-50, especially for state out, sorry, state-level

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