What's up, everyone? This is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening

Off the Chain, simply the best podcasting crypto. Let's kick this thing off. David Pacman is currently a

partner at Venrock, where he focuses on early stage venture investing in consumer and enterprise

tech companies with a recent focus on robotics, crypto, and consumer products. He also was the

co-creator of Apple's music group and a product manager at Apple, along with starting and selling a

number of technology companies. In this conversation, we discussed David's views on audio and voice,

artificial intelligence, robotics, competition on the internet, why crypto can disrupt

venture capital, and what is so interesting to David about the idea of crypto collectibles?

I really enjoyed this conversation.

But before we get into the episode, I want to talk about the three sponsors that made it possible.

The first, Block 5.

If Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies have any chance

of ever becoming the next global reserve currency, we're going to need a lot of infrastructure

and wealth management services built. This is exactly what BlockFi is doing. As many of you already

know, I'm such a big fan of the company that I invested, alongside being a big user. Today, they offer

three products. The first is giving US dollar loans against your crypto as collateral. The second

is an interest-bearing account for your crypto deposits. And the third is allowing you to buy

or trade cryptocurrencies. These three products are important in helping people do more with their

Bitcoin, Ethereum, GUSD, etc. Don't want to sell your crypto but need

US dollar liquidity, BlockFi can give you a loan. Or maybe you're a long-term holder like me,

but want to earn some interest on your assets. Obviously, rates vary, but right now BlockFi is

paying 6.2% APY on Bitcoin and 8.6% APY on GUSD deposits. Those are unheard of interest rates in the legacy fiat world.

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