If you have a trans woman that is biologically male and has a penis, but is slight in size and has a very feminine appearance,

by all statistical likelihood, they are far less likely to assault someone in a women's prison than they are to be assaulted in a men's prison.

And so that's a particular case where I would say it makes sense for them to be in a women's prison, yes.

Hello and welcome to Trick and Ommetry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kitchen. And this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest today is the progressive commentator and the host of the David Pakman show right here on YouTube.

David Pakman, welcome to Trick and Ommetry.

Thank you for having me.

It's so great to have you on the show. Listen, we'll get right into it. And I'll say this for our audience.

For our audience, what I've already said to you off camera, which is we're really grateful to you for coming on the show.

We want to have a constructive conversation with you. And I really acknowledge you for coming on our show,

because I think a lot of people who are progressive might think that, you know, Francis and I are these two right wing nut jobs, which we're definitely not.

And we're really keen actually to hear some of your thoughts and why you think what you think. So very much with that in mind,

did I describe you correctly as a progressive commentator's fair way to describe you?

That's how I describe myself as a sort of standard progressive in the Northern European mold.

There are people who say, I am a communist socialist and I'm definitely not.

There are people who say I'm a centrist establishment shill, which I'm definitely not.

I'm just uncontroversially sort of like a Northern European social Democrat.

Right. So what does that mean exactly? What do you want?

So this is a form of capitalism, right? So strictly speaking, if we start with a sort of just black white is my view of view that it falls under capitalism.

The answer is yes. And social democracy is a well regulated form of capitalism where we say there's lots of good things about capitalism and about markets directing resources in many areas.

But there are some what we would call special cases and these might depending on who you ask include health care, they might include education and other what we call public goods.

And in those cases, we don't want to let the free market or a supposedly free market, as is often the case, direct resources.

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