From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

It seems I've known my guest, David O'Yello, actor, entrepreneur, director, and producer since Red

Tales, where I met him in his screening of Red Tales.

But what I've always been fascinated by him as an actor is he so often plays characters

who have to deal with the effects of institutions.

I was thinking about your performance in Nightingale or even in Redtail, but also in your most

recent movie, in which you're starring newborn, but Queen of Cotterweight, some of these

characters you are attracted to in these starring roles of people are men who are dealing

with the way institutions can have a pernicious effect on people.

What does that come from for you? Gosh, I clearly have a David and G effect on people. What does that come from for you?

Gosh, I clearly have a David and Goliath syndrome.

But I like to think those are the relatable stories.

You know, we all are in some ways drawn to the quote unquote hero's journey in a sense.

And I think the hero's journey is defined

by overcoming what feel like insurmountable odds and I think few things feel more insurmountable

than institutions. I guess it's interesting too because these characters are so unlike you, so

often these are characters who don't have spiritual

lives in the same way that you do. I feel that they're kind of untethered. And I think

you go through some great lengths to kind of show what that can do. As somebody who understands

what it's like to feel your feet on the ground, to understand your relationship to spirituality,

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