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As long as people think of God as a vassacity, as a holier than thou detached, looking down on

just condemning, criticising and judging, there's no pool, there's no attraction, there's no desire.

But if we can show people the god of Hiziyah the god of Gomer actually, then I think we begin to

break down barriers and begin to give people hope that this God could be my God.

Welcome to help me teach the Bible. I'm Nancy Guthrie. Help Me Teach the Bible is a production of the gospel coalition sponsored by Crossway, a not-for-profit publisher of the ESV Bible Christian Books and Tracks. Learn more at crossway.org. My guest today on Help Me Teach the Bible is one of my favorite Bible teachers, someone from whom I have learned so much and just

enjoy so much getting to talk about the Bible with him. And that is David Murray.

David, thank you for being willing to help us teach the Bible.

Well, thank you, Nancy.

These are very kind words.

I don't deserve them, but I do admit we share a mutual love for teaching the Bible,

and we do get a lot of excitement and joy from it.

It is a great joy.

So we were going to record earlier, but Dr. Murray had to go and defend his doctoral thesis.

Was it in Edinburgh?

You wanted to do that?

That was in Amsterdam, actually.

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