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All right, guys, we've got a special guest on the podcast today. His name is David Mathis. He's the senior teacher and executive editor at desiring god.org. He also pastors at city church in St. Paul, Minnesota, is an adjunct professor at Bethlehem, College and Seminary, and he's the author of this book, which is the center point of our conversation today, a little theology of exercise, enjoying Christ and body and soul. And so I was pitched this book a while ago, but it seemed been more appropriate for January. You got a lot of kind of new year, new me people, people deciding to take care of their bodies. And so we want to do everything we can to keep that momentum going. And so this is a book, as you can tell, guys, it's a small book. I read this while sitting in a deer blind, and I had plenty of time in the sit left over.

But most people don't connect their exercise or their diet, their nutrition, their rest regiments as being connected in any way, shape, or form to their Christianity.

In any way, shape, or form connected to God. And so, hopefully this conversation today disabuses you of that notion, because we talk specifically about, like, okay, what does scripture have to say? What is the theological underpinnings of why we should exercise? Why do most people not do that? I mean, I came out straight from the beginning, and I'm like, hey, what is it with Christian pastors? Because if you look at most Christian pastors, a lot of them are obese, some of them morbidly obese. And then if you ever challenged them on that, they kind of like twist themselves into pretzels, no pun intended, but they twist themselves up trying to get to explain to you like, well, they're doing the work of the Lord and blah, blah, blah. But we talk specifically about Christian hedonism, which is a term

that he's kind of coined in this discussion. We talk about how Christians can enjoy the benefits and

rewards of exercise better than non-Christians because of what we understand and just kind of how

our cultural moment of, you know, easy buttons and, you know, convenience has led to this sedentary lifestyle

and how we shouldn't take our cues from that culture. But also how exertion produces a ward

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